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Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.25 04:35:00 - [1] Originally by: Treelox Can we infer that EBANK has "tried to cheat" you? It basically starts here HERE and then at post 630 and on the next page..
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.25 05:08:00 - [2] FWIW, I wish you well and I completely understand where you're coming from. If they really want to 'save' EBANK they should just shut it down and let it fade into some romanticized tragedy "beyond their control" than their current plan to alienate and annoy everyone while ****ing away what is left of EBANK.
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.25 16:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Robacz Just out of curiosity, was anything about this "eye for an eye" approach stated in the Kwint Industries IPO? I hear retroactively changing the terms of your offering with a tough "take it or leave it" is all the rage these days (see: EBANK) c/d?
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.25 16:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Ray McCormack I'll repeat what I said an internal bank thread here: Quote: Let's clear up any misconceptions, I'm an ******. I'm rude, obnoxious, arrogant and abrasive. But how truly weak and pathetic do you need to be to use that as an excuse for your actions? You give yourself far too much credit. You're simply a troll. Perhaps a troll with a purpose (get enough people **ed at ebank to walk away so you can pirate their account balances) but a troll none the less.
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.25 16:35:00 - [5] Originally by: SetrakDark On the other hand, I can see where they're coming from, as even the most benign topic will become a pointless heated debate due to trolling and forum grandstanding. You do realize the irony that ebank staff (Ray in particular) are the ones who engage in the trolling (usually unprovoked), right?
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.26 05:19:00 - [6] Personally I think you should require ebank employees hand over their API key in a NON-NEGOTIABLE manner and then slag them for not coming up with a suitable work around when they refuse.. You know, just in case those ebank employees are involved in RMT, of course
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.26 17:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Kwint Sommer You're right, it is crazy but then this whole situation "bonkers." The fact that the bank was never really profitable and ran a deficit before Ricdic stole a thing and no one cared enough to bring it up is crazy. The fact that they let their incredibly disgruntled and petulant CEO hold hundreds of billions while explicitly claiming to have taken considerable internal precautions against such things -there were whole threads on the topic- is crazy. That they made a several hundred billion unsecured loan to friends of the board and lost it all is crazy. The part where by they advertised EBANK as a great place to put ISK if taking a break but then modified the terms of service to forfeit inactive accounts is crazy. Demanding customers provide their API to access funds put in without that policy is crazy. Simply saying we're not going pay interest anymore because it's inconvenient is crazy. Loosing 80% of the value of a supposedly conservatively invested, diversified and internally secure business is crazy. Taking 9 months to value your assets and plan a recovery is crazy. Treating your customers like ** at every turn and defrauding them of interest then expecting them to still support you is crazy. Claiming the bank is a private institution and can ignore it's customers wishes and interest but then claiming any defaults against hurt the customers is crazy. The whole **ing situation is crazy! So maybe what I'm asking is crazy but there's certainly precedent and unlike most of that list it has the advantage of being the honest thing to do. Spot on.
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.27 21:03:00 - [8] Originally by: SencneS Kwint - All I have to say to you is "I thought you where a more honorable person then this, and your actions disappoint me." Not that it means much to you I know but really what you're doing is no better then anyone else that has committed fraud. --snip-- Salutations to all, enjoy the rest of this downward spiral of a thread. Coming from an ebank employee these 2 points are incredibly rich. (If I have to explain to you why I sincerely doubt you'd understand the answer, tbh)
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.27 22:22:00 - [9] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: LaVista Vista good post This is good stuff, and I hope people respond respectfully. I think a lot of people don't differentiate between pre-scam EBank and post-scam EBank, and while I disagree, I don't blame them. I think that's where the big disconnect between what you're saying and what Kwint is saying. Despite the internal house-cleaning, for many people EBank remains the same institution that did defraud depositors. I will also add that there were alternatives to the locking of deposits, so I can't agree that EBank had no other choice and that this is the best of possible outcomes. Actually, most people think that the current version of ebank is just a DIFFERENT scam. Kwint asked some questions in the other thread and the almighty "savior" of ebank started this **ing contest with snarky one-liners (paraphrasing here: "We don't deal with financial terrorists" and "We sold your shares, now what?"). No wonder people have such low faith in ebank. As for LVV's comments: Quote:** You say that it's defraud, I say that it's responsible mangement to not let risk the solvency of EBANK, preventing a COMPLETE and unrecoverable collapse. It's unfortunate that ISK has to be locked down and nobody likes the fact it had to be done. Perhaps it is just me but I can't help but think that the ONLY reason ebank hasn't spun into an unrecoverable collapse is BECAUSE all the isk was locked down. That's not responsible management, that's just looks like another ebank scam to people. We won't even get into the whole retroactively FORCING a very lopsided TOS on people (which effectively changed the very foundation of the 'bank') as well as making all sorts of demands that the BoD knew people weren't going to accept in the hopes that people would just write off their ISK officially.
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.27 22:45:00 - [10] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Angus McSpork That's not responsible management, that's just looks like another ebank scam to people. And yes, the perception it creates is the perception that it's another scam. But really, I think that's a silly conclusion to jump to. But again, that's my opinion, being on the inside. So you think it is "silly" for people to think ebank is a scam when ebank staff have went out of their way to provoke people? -Retroactive changes to the TOS without granting them the ability to withdraw funds if they disagree with said changes -threatening to just outright close accounts if the player/account is inactive (going against one of the founding principles of the bank and a point that was actively sold to people) -introducing heavy-handed draconian measures (API) without offering a shred of security -actually telling people that the API information would be stored and used for more than just 'have your alts scammed ebank' -not paying interest because "it'll make recovery 'harder'" (LOL) -employing a certain someone who's sole forum activity has been to go out of their way to **** people off with trolling/stupid comments and act all snarky -completely ignoring reasonable plans to help ebank recover some decent chunks of ISK Gee, I can't imagine why ANYONE would think that the current incarnation of ebank is just a perpetuating scam. BTW, is the internal audit ever going to be completed after how long?
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.31 04:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Gabriel Virtus You are a sheep. -GV You appear to be a special kind of mouth-breathing window-licker so I'll put this in terms you can understand.. Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhn gargggle <snort slurp> Uuuuuuuurgh blarg snargle rrrrrrrrrrrrruh <bark snurgle grunt> Hnnnnnnnnnh Arh! Got it?

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